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james
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 Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: people! |
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i just found out that the headlong nosedive that the record industry, suicidal like a self-hating teemager, has thrown itself into in obvious despair could reap great rewards for our fair cause.
if i had sold a mere 66k records this week in the USofA, the lcd album would have bee NUMBER ONE!
ok--i had hopes and dreams for top 40, but with this hilarious business failing so completely, fuck that! top 10! top 5!
oh dear bloodbots, children, friends, enemies--i'm revitalized towards the cause again: fuck this. fuck everything. i want to DO this. it would be absolutely brilliant. i wonder if i could then stop all sales of the record? it would be very funny to only sell it for a week, and then disappear into the trees! |
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ilikevacuouspop
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: |
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about a month ago, i totally sent a meeting request to everyone on my teams to buy this on march 20th!
and i've totally been talking it up. i'm all about promoting the hell out of this. |
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The Inventor
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: Re: people! |
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| Quote: | | i wonder if i could then stop all sales of the record? it would be very funny to only sell it for a week, and then disappear into the trees! |
Simple: release only a select number of copies and then once they all sell out, sit back and laugh.
The nosedive was inevitable. I mean, the things that actually get released are absolute rubbish that top the charts. If America can love tone-deaf musicians and singers, then they'll buy anything as long as it has the right hype.
P.S. - I'm all about shameless promotion. Doesn't the shirt say it all? 
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t stu
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| shiiittt my album comes out on the same day! I'm looking to sell about 40 within the first week--maybe 50 if I can lay down some simmons on a couple tracks in time...Peace James, this is the takeover! You don't stand a chance against a well known artist like myself. Hah. thats a joke. But I promise...i'll buy your record the day of if you'll listen to mine for free...deal? |
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dinsdale
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Can I do something to help from Europe? If I order it online on the first day or something from the States, will that count  |
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vipe
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: people! |
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| james wrote: | | i wonder if i could then stop all sales of the record? it would be very funny to only sell it for a week, and then disappear into the trees! |
I'm not sure of all the details, but Mos Def's latest cd did something pretty similar to that. 11,000 copies were sold and recalled by Geffen, and now he's shipping an entirely different package sometime this summer. That's probably more like getting fucked by a label, but I think as bad off as the industry is right now, you could get away with just about anything. |
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DiscoBiscuits
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Joined: 18 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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does online legitimate downloads (zune, itunes, et al.) figure in to physical albums sold per week for the billboard charts?
...and james, good luck with your crusade bro. I know all the bisco kids will be purchasing your album when it comes out. You and juan have atleast a thread a day on their MB. |
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juan
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| DiscoBiscuits wrote: | does online legitimate downloads (zune, itunes, et al.) figure in to physical albums sold per week for the billboard charts?
...and james, good luck with your crusade bro. I know all the bisco kids will be purchasing your album when it comes out. You and juan have atleast a thread a day on their MB. |
Playing Camp Bisco was my favourite thing of the year. Being exposed to that scene was pretty eye-opening. In general, i would say people from that scene are pretty intense 'fans' of music, in a more honest way that i find very refreshing. If any group of people is likely to follow through with spreading the word on stuff like this and actually going out and BUYING the thing (like voting for President, it's very easy for people to sit back on the election on election day and think 'ah, my vote won't make a difference.....), they are a good bet.
The top heavy major label industry is falling over like a vertigo suffering Dolly Parton. Seems infinitely worse in the USA. EMI UK, who DFA is with, is a great label, there are amazing people we work with there, infinitely more knowledgeable about music than me. But the monstrocity of excess that is the major label culture in this country at least, it's a great thing for 'indie' labels that it is failing miserably. DFA and others like it will thrive.
So this could be a rallying cry for indie labels and bands alike. It could be a "fuck you retards, YOU are failing miserably, but this is an incredibly time for music for 100's of 1,000's of people you don't acknowledge."
But I think it does need to be straightened, what will register as a sale that week. Itunes? Online shops? etc. |
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rob313
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According to Ye Olde Billboard.com:
| Quote: | "Data for Billboard's sales charts -- which include all of our album charts -- are compiled by Nielsen SoundScan from a universe of merchants that represents more than 90% of the U.S. music retail market. The sample includes not only music stores and the music departments at electronics and department stores, but also direct-to-consumer transactions and Internet sales (both physical albums via Internet, and ones bought via digital downloads). A limited array of verifiable sales from concert venues is also tabulated.
All sales charts use the entire Nielsen SoundScan panel, with the exception of the R&B/Hip-Hop charts which uses a panel of core stores that specialize in the genre. The Nielsen SoundScan system utilizes that same point-of-sale that music merchants use to track their inventory, so you can think of itemized receipt from your last trip to the music store as a ballot cast for our charts. |
The thing is: how much weight does internet sales carry when factoring in chart position?
I think LCD should do an infomercial and post it on their website, explaining these things and giving a very thorough explanation why people should go to corporate stores/mall chains on release day and purchase the album. |
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DiscoBiscuits
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Joined: 18 Oct 2006
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Location: Jacksonville, Fl
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| juan wrote: | | DiscoBiscuits wrote: | does online legitimate downloads (zune, itunes, et al.) figure in to physical albums sold per week for the billboard charts?
...and james, good luck with your crusade bro. I know all the bisco kids will be purchasing your album when it comes out. You and juan have atleast a thread a day on their MB. |
Playing Camp Bisco was my favourite thing of the year. Being exposed to that scene was pretty eye-opening. In general, i would say people from that scene are pretty intense 'fans' of music, in a more honest way that i find very refreshing. If any group of people is likely to follow through with spreading the word on stuff like this and actually going out and BUYING the thing (like voting for President, it's very easy for people to sit back on the election on election day and think 'ah, my vote won't make a difference.....), they are a good bet.
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nice... and i hope you will be back this coming year. Us disco biscuits fans are a hardcore bunch, not just in our ability to throw down all night long but in our dedication to music, It takes a special kind of insane and depraved individual to travel to 13 cities in a 2 1/2 week period of time to hit up every show on that leg of the tour.
There has been a call from within the scene to not invite simon posford and company back this year. I know management is looking into Boards of Canada, but word is it's going to be an extra special guest at this years Camp Bisco VI. |
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The Inventor
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This is the sad reality us Americans have to deal with when we look at the charts:
This is the Top 11 (yeah, I could have just used Top 10 but Top 11 sounds a little better) for album sales last week. Note how many copies the Dreamgirls soundtrack sold - that is the lowest number ever to be number one since they even came up with a chart. Seriously, people! If a album that sold 68,000 copies could reach number one, then our collective efforts to get LCD to the top shouldn't be that hard. I mean, look - Nickleback? Omarion? "Now That's What I Call Music" Vol. whatever? We shouldn't have a hard time leapfrogging the competition.
| rob313 wrote: | | The thing is: how much weight does internet sales carry when factoring in chart position? |
If the buying trends for last year were a sign of anything, Internet sales carry a lot of weight now. Even in the little thing you quoted from Billboard, it says that "the sample includes not only music stores and the music departments at electronics and department stores, but also direct-to-consumer transactions and Internet sales (both physical albums via Internet, and ones bought via digital downloads)." They all get counted the same way and add to album sales.
According to this link, which I found courtesy of World Music Central, digital track sales increased over 65% from the previous year. Last year, 580 million digital tracks were bought. In the final week of 2006 (Dec. 25-Dec. 31), 30.1 million digital tracks were bought, compared to 19.1 million in 2005. The only reason numbers are so high for the final week are thanks in part to gifts they got. What did most people get for Christmas? Probably iTunes cards and cards for other online download services, such as eMusic and Napster. Twenty-two digital songs sold over a million copies compared to only two in 2005. Albums sales on the Internet reached 29 million, which was a 19 percent increase from 2005.
If 22 single-song tracks sold almost as many as digital albums did, doesn't this make us question the quality of music being put out by the artists?
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dirsten kunst
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| The only thing on that list that doesn't make me want to puke is the justin record. At least it has some decent Timbaland production on it...the rest of these records are complete garbage. |
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crank
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Honestly, the way to do it is to release it when there's nothing else being released that week. Im' not saying it's not good, or that there's not enough people out there to buy it, but if there's no competition to er compete for number one, it's a shoo in with 68k sold.
what else is going to be released when SOS Is out? coordination of the release date will make this a reality
crANk! |
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Ex Lion Tamer
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Get the rules about if DLing it counts from the actual charts you're referring to. Talk to them.
Add a couple tracks that aren't on the leaked copy.
Decide what you are going to do and remind us close to the date.
If you want to shut down sales after the week then upload the whole thing right here on your website for free download.
Play Letterman again.
Make some short promos for radio. I'll play it and most people in college radio will get on board. For free.
Design a flyer for people to post downtown.
My understanding is that chart sales are often estimated based on the amount of units ordered in by chain stores for expected sales. People need to order it in advance, or drop off a printout of the album info at all the stores over town IN ADVANCE.
Make sure you don't put any stickers in with it like Beck did.
POSE ON THE COVER EXACTLY LIKE MICHEAL JACKSON DID FOR THRILLER!!! PLEASE FUCKING DO IT!!! PLEASE!!!! INSTEAD OF A TIGER USE A BEAVER!!! IF YOU DO THIS ONE THING #1 IS FUCKING GUARANTEED!!!! A BEAVER WEARING A DEVO HAT!!!! |
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Ex Lion Tamer
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POSE ON THE COVER EXACTLY LIKE MICHEAL JACKSON DID FOR THRILLER!!! PLEASE FUCKING DO IT!!! PLEASE!!!! INSTEAD OF A TIGER USE A BEAVER!!! IF YOU DO THIS ONE THING #1 IS FUCKING GUARANTEED!!!! A BEAVER WEARING A DEVO HAT!!!! |
Forget everything else I said and stick with this one thing. |
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